Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/08/1996 08:00 AM House STA

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 HB  22 - STATE LONG-TERM PLANNING                                         
                                                                               
 The next order of business to come before the House State Affairs             
 Committee was HB 22.                                                          
 Number 0710                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on Representative Sean Parnell, sponsor of HB
 22.                                                                           
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SEAN PARNELL said this was deja vous for three out           
 of the four member of the House State Affairs Committee because the           
 same bill passed the legislature two years ago.  He said long-range           
 planning had taken on a special meaning in the past few years to              
 include closing the fiscal gap based on the charges of the long-              
 range fiscal planning commission.  He said HB 22 did not                      
 necessarily close the fiscal gap, but rather addressed the                    
 accountability and performance of government for expenditures.  He            
 noted that one of the recommendations of the long-range fiscal                
 planning commission, was to start performance based budgeting.  He            
 further said there was no rational or objective way for the                   
 legislature or the Governor to make budget choices and establish              
 priorities; there was a lack of accountability for funds spent;               
 there was a basic distrust of government; and lastly there was a              
 focus on programs rather than serving the public.  He further said            
 HB 347 passed with wide bi-partisan support last session in both              
 the House of Representatives and the Senate.  However, it was                 
 vetoed by Governor Hickel.  The reason it was vetoed, he said, was            
 because the Commissioners thought the legislature should not be               
 telling the Governor to long-range plan, creating a turf battle.              
 He said the legislative and the executive branch should work                  
 together regarding long-range planning.  Representative Parnell               
 said HB 22 tried to implement performance measures as part of the             
 budget process.  He further stated the departments were notorious             
 for using irrelevant performance measurements.  He said a                     
 department would testify it had fewer state troopers than last                
 year, for example, which was not relevant to the financial                    
 discussion.  The citizens, he alleged, cared about the services,              
 for example, the safety of the Seward Highway, and not the number             
 of state troopers.  Therefore, HB 22 established the framework for            
 long-range strategic planning.  He further said goals and objective           
 performance measures would be established by each department with             
 public input, and the budget submitted to the legislature would               
 include those performance measures.  The process he said was known            
 as performance based budgeting and had been implemented at the                
 federal, city and state government level.  He said Hawaii,                    
 Connecticut, Iowa, Louisiana, North Carolina, Oregon and Texas used           
 performance based budgeting.  He further said Texas was chosen as             
 the model because it was experiencing financial strains and had a             
 natural resource base similar to Alaska.  House Bill 22 would                 
 follow a five point time line.  He said at the beginning of the               
 term the Governor would develop statewide goals to be issued on May           
 1 when the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) would provide                
 economic and population forecasts to the departments.  By July 1              
 OMB would approve each agencies' goals and by October 1 each agency           
 would submit its long-term plan to OMB.  He said the dates                    
 corresponded to the submission of the budget to OMB.  He further              
 said the plans would cover a six year period and would be used by             
 the Governor, the agency and the legislature to develop the                   
 following year's budget.  The bill provided a phase-in period where           
 three departments would be chosen by OMB for the first year of                
 implementation.  He said this was a result of a compromise on HB
 347 (a bill from the 18th Alaska State Legislature) as the                    
 departments felt they needed more time to prepare.  He alleged it             
 would make budget review jobs easier for the legislators.  He noted           
 the legislature in Oregon experienced a decrease in the amount of             
 sub-committees needed.  In conclusion, he said unless long-range              
 planning was tied to the budget it would not be a useful document.            
 He said it was not the all-to-end-all, but rather a tool to make              
 government more accountable to its expenditures.  It was not meant            
 to be an additional job for the department, but rather supplants              
 what they were already doing for the budget.  He lastly said                  
 performance based budgeting was a step towards making the                     
 government work for the people.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1185                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if performance based budgeting                     
 incorporated zero based budgeting.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 1234                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PARNELL replied the correlation between performance            
 based budgeting and zero based budgeting was that performance based           
 budgeting established priorities.  Therefore, you would start at              
 zero and fund the priorities.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1245                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN commented on the zero fiscal note from OMB.              
 He wondered if HB 22 would require additional work from the                   
 departments to warrant a positive fiscal note.                                
                                                                               
 Number 1285                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PARNELL said it was what the departments should be             
 doing anyway.  The departments gave a zero fiscal note for HB 22              
 because they realized it was merely a shift of focus on something             
 they should be doing.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1308                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES said she was excited about this type of approach.  She            
 further said it was frustrating to plan because of the short time             
 spent in the legislature.  She asserted a cooperative effort was              
 needed for success between the Administration and the legislature,            
 and HB 22 tied them together.  She further said it was difficult to           
 cut the budget without taking away programs, and the procedure in             
 HB 22 would allow the legislators to see what should be done.  She            
 also said it was a move in the right direction to return the                  
 public's confidence in state government.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1390                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PARNELL referred the committee members to page 2 of            
 the handout titled "General Appropriations Act, 1993 State of                 
 Texas, Excerpt from Texas Department of Public Safety."  The                  
 example illustrated the goal, objective, outcome, strategy and                
 measurement from the Department of Public Safety.  He alleged the             
 Alaska budget was not as understandable or readable.                          
                                                                               
 Number 1485                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE OGAN said as a freshman legislator he would welcome            
 the change.  He said the budget currently reflected the number of             
 positions and did not describe the nature of the job.                         
                                                                               
 Number 1502                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES replied the number of positions were even a                       
 disillusionment because not all of the positions were filled.                 
                                                                               
 Number 1515                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN commented the current budget process was                 
 department friendly but not user friendly.  He further said HB 22             
 would create stability because it committed the departments.                  
                                                                               
 Number 1538                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PARNELL said an amendment was needed to HB 22 to               
 change the dates accordingly.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1562                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN moved that page 3, line 25 and 26, change the            
 dates from "1996" to "1997."  Hearing no objection, it was so                 
 moved.                                                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES asked if there was any further testimony.  No one                 
 responded so she called on a motion.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 1589                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN moved that HB 22 as amended move from the                
 committee with individual recommendations and a zero fiscal note.             
 Hearing no objection, HB 22 was moved from the House State Affairs            
 Committee.                                                                    

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